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		<title>By: Dwight Zahringer</title>
		<link>http://veryofficialblog.com/2009/11/23/looking-for-roi-in-social-media-mind-your-metrics/comment-page-1/#comment-1802</link>
		<dc:creator>Dwight Zahringer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Dec 2009 07:15:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does Social Media and Friends = $$ online. In my experience it is relative to the product and audience. I also find that many smaller business cannot properly execute a social media campaign because they forget a few important steps: planning, create goals, budget and analysis.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does Social Media and Friends = $$ online. In my experience it is relative to the product and audience. I also find that many smaller business cannot properly execute a social media campaign because they forget a few important steps: planning, create goals, budget and analysis.</p>
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		<title>By: Laura Chapman</title>
		<link>http://veryofficialblog.com/2009/11/23/looking-for-roi-in-social-media-mind-your-metrics/comment-page-1/#comment-1801</link>
		<dc:creator>Laura Chapman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 11:35:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maths and economics are nice and tidy. But how about translating ROI to users, influence, alexa ranking etc?

Laura Chapman
wadja.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maths and economics are nice and tidy. But how about translating ROI to users, influence, alexa ranking etc?</p>
<p>Laura Chapman<br />
wadja.com</p>
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		<title>By: Stephanie Maurer</title>
		<link>http://veryofficialblog.com/2009/11/23/looking-for-roi-in-social-media-mind-your-metrics/comment-page-1/#comment-1800</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephanie Maurer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 18:08:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I couldn&#039;t agree more! I&#039;ve listened in on so many &#039;ROI&#039;, or what is falsely perceived as ROI Webinars related to Social Media. It&#039;s not all about increasing unique visitors or the number of replies one receives on a corporate blog, rather it&#039;s more about the quality and relevance of who is visiting and commenting. In B2B, it&#039;s more about lead gen, gaining intel and learning about your target audiences&#039; interests and pain points and hot topics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I couldn&#8217;t agree more! I&#8217;ve listened in on so many &#8216;ROI&#8217;, or what is falsely perceived as ROI Webinars related to Social Media. It&#8217;s not all about increasing unique visitors or the number of replies one receives on a corporate blog, rather it&#8217;s more about the quality and relevance of who is visiting and commenting. In B2B, it&#8217;s more about lead gen, gaining intel and learning about your target audiences&#8217; interests and pain points and hot topics.</p>
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		<title>By: Colin Smith</title>
		<link>http://veryofficialblog.com/2009/11/23/looking-for-roi-in-social-media-mind-your-metrics/comment-page-1/#comment-1799</link>
		<dc:creator>Colin Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 14:58:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great intro piece to the issues of measuring Social Media success (and I would use the word success rather than ROI as a more flexible label).

Trying to come up with a universal social media score, (particularly one based on throwing in a load of numbers and multiplying them together in a magic formula) is like trying to measure happiness, or love:- criteria that  work for one person are very unlikely to work for another. Likewise criteria for measuring one company&#039;s social media activity are unlikely to be 100% transferable to another company&#039;s efforts, unless they both share the same goals, objectives, starting point, character, etc.

Set a strategy, set objectives for different stages, define  relevant measures for each stage and then move into your benchmark/measure/improve cycle.

Here at Tamar we advise clients to take things one step at a time - if they need to work first on increasing reach, then success can be counted against all those size of audience/traffic measures that we know and love; if they are trying to improve &#039;engagement levels&#039; then look to track key interactions, etc. etc. Fit the measures to the objectives, and fit the objective to current needs and opportunities.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great intro piece to the issues of measuring Social Media success (and I would use the word success rather than ROI as a more flexible label).</p>
<p>Trying to come up with a universal social media score, (particularly one based on throwing in a load of numbers and multiplying them together in a magic formula) is like trying to measure happiness, or love:- criteria that  work for one person are very unlikely to work for another. Likewise criteria for measuring one company&#8217;s social media activity are unlikely to be 100% transferable to another company&#8217;s efforts, unless they both share the same goals, objectives, starting point, character, etc.</p>
<p>Set a strategy, set objectives for different stages, define  relevant measures for each stage and then move into your benchmark/measure/improve cycle.</p>
<p>Here at Tamar we advise clients to take things one step at a time &#8211; if they need to work first on increasing reach, then success can be counted against all those size of audience/traffic measures that we know and love; if they are trying to improve &#8216;engagement levels&#8217; then look to track key interactions, etc. etc. Fit the measures to the objectives, and fit the objective to current needs and opportunities.</p>
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		<title>By: Shannon Paul</title>
		<link>http://veryofficialblog.com/2009/11/23/looking-for-roi-in-social-media-mind-your-metrics/comment-page-1/#comment-1798</link>
		<dc:creator>Shannon Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 00:28:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We don&#039;t disagree about where metrics should be established, but I disagree with the notion that this is easy for most companies.

The data suggests that this is a very difficult piece for many to grasp. If companies don&#039;t fundamentally understand the web, they may be measuring the wrong things and scratching their heads as to why they&#039;re not meeting the objectives and failing at achieving any ROI.

My objective with this post is to flesh out that particular piece of the equation. That&#039;s all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We don&#8217;t disagree about where metrics should be established, but I disagree with the notion that this is easy for most companies.</p>
<p>The data suggests that this is a very difficult piece for many to grasp. If companies don&#8217;t fundamentally understand the web, they may be measuring the wrong things and scratching their heads as to why they&#8217;re not meeting the objectives and failing at achieving any ROI.</p>
<p>My objective with this post is to flesh out that particular piece of the equation. That&#8217;s all.</p>
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		<title>By: Olivier Blanchard</title>
		<link>http://veryofficialblog.com/2009/11/23/looking-for-roi-in-social-media-mind-your-metrics/comment-page-1/#comment-1797</link>
		<dc:creator>Olivier Blanchard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 00:11:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yep. Ironically, the key to ROI lives in #1, not in #5, which is what many companies get wrong.

#5 is an execution piece. It&#039;s the collection of data and its subsequent analysis.

#1 is where the measurement methodology (what will we measure, how we will measure it, where will we measure it and why) is actually born. ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yep. Ironically, the key to ROI lives in #1, not in #5, which is what many companies get wrong.</p>
<p>#5 is an execution piece. It&#8217;s the collection of data and its subsequent analysis.</p>
<p>#1 is where the measurement methodology (what will we measure, how we will measure it, where will we measure it and why) is actually born. ;)</p>
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		<title>By: Olivier Blanchard</title>
		<link>http://veryofficialblog.com/2009/11/23/looking-for-roi-in-social-media-mind-your-metrics/comment-page-1/#comment-1796</link>
		<dc:creator>Olivier Blanchard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 00:07:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good point. To Shannon&#039;s point: Vague objectives =  vague metrics, etc. You&#039;re taking it a step further and suggesting subjective metrics as well. I agree. I see this too often as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good point. To Shannon&#8217;s point: Vague objectives =  vague metrics, etc. You&#8217;re taking it a step further and suggesting subjective metrics as well. I agree. I see this too often as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Baiguerra</title>
		<link>http://veryofficialblog.com/2009/11/23/looking-for-roi-in-social-media-mind-your-metrics/comment-page-1/#comment-1795</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Baiguerra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 21:41:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ron Ploof did a good job here of starting to put numbers around how to value audience.
http://ronamok.com/2009/11/11/audience-is-an-asset/

In the end isn&#039;t that what this all comes down to - not mass audience, but if you&#039;re Social Media efforts are being seen by no-one then it&#039;s pretty clear there is no value there. This is not to suggest that a small audience cannot be highly valuable, especially if you can start to factor engagement in.

His post is worth a read in relation to the ROI discussion because it starts to try to put dollar values to this asset (audience) whereas a lot of the ROI talk in SM is, as Michael points out above, fluff and speculation.

Michael is also right in that it&#039;s still fun to talk about anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ron Ploof did a good job here of starting to put numbers around how to value audience.<br />
<a href="http://ronamok.com/2009/11/11/audience-is-an-asset/" rel="nofollow">http://ronamok.com/2009/11/11/audience-is-an-asset/</a></p>
<p>In the end isn&#8217;t that what this all comes down to &#8211; not mass audience, but if you&#8217;re Social Media efforts are being seen by no-one then it&#8217;s pretty clear there is no value there. This is not to suggest that a small audience cannot be highly valuable, especially if you can start to factor engagement in.</p>
<p>His post is worth a read in relation to the ROI discussion because it starts to try to put dollar values to this asset (audience) whereas a lot of the ROI talk in SM is, as Michael points out above, fluff and speculation.</p>
<p>Michael is also right in that it&#8217;s still fun to talk about anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Brito</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Brito</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 21:05:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent post, saw it on a tweet from someone.

You bring up some really good points. I have worked for a few fortune 100 brands; and the question that always comes up from senior management is:  what&#039;s the financial investment AND what&#039;s the return?

Easy to say; MUCH harder to do especially for ingredient brands, like my previous employer Intel.

I think all metrics are good to quantify, even the ones that seem fluffy (i.e. increase in RSS/Twitter followers) but the important ones are the metrics that can be directly correlated to some level of business value, however that may be defined.

It&#039;s up to the industry and some smart start up to define these &quot;business value&quot; metrics and create a tool that spit out a quantifiable ROI. Omniture and other similar tools just aren&#039;t smart enough.

Until then, it&#039;s all fluff and speculation but I sure do love to talk about it.

@britopian</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent post, saw it on a tweet from someone.</p>
<p>You bring up some really good points. I have worked for a few fortune 100 brands; and the question that always comes up from senior management is:  what&#8217;s the financial investment AND what&#8217;s the return?</p>
<p>Easy to say; MUCH harder to do especially for ingredient brands, like my previous employer Intel.</p>
<p>I think all metrics are good to quantify, even the ones that seem fluffy (i.e. increase in RSS/Twitter followers) but the important ones are the metrics that can be directly correlated to some level of business value, however that may be defined.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s up to the industry and some smart start up to define these &#8220;business value&#8221; metrics and create a tool that spit out a quantifiable ROI. Omniture and other similar tools just aren&#8217;t smart enough.</p>
<p>Until then, it&#8217;s all fluff and speculation but I sure do love to talk about it.</p>
<p>@britopian</p>
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		<title>By: Josh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Josh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 20:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Olivier,

I think it&#039;s still a constantly-resuscitated question precisely because most corporated social media endeavers exist somewhere between marketing and customer relations, so they necessarily produce vague outputs. If a drugstore cashier helps me out and improves his company&#039;s brand, he doesn&#039;t make a cent more. If a marketing company interacts with 10 customers on twitter, they stick in in their stats and bill for it! The marketing companies promoting social media are doing it because it&#039;s billable and seems like an obvious good idea, but that doesn&#039;t mean that they have a clue how to measure the impact. So some rock star or basketball icon just tweeted his love of your candy bars...? What does that mean for sales?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Olivier,</p>
<p>I think it&#8217;s still a constantly-resuscitated question precisely because most corporated social media endeavers exist somewhere between marketing and customer relations, so they necessarily produce vague outputs. If a drugstore cashier helps me out and improves his company&#8217;s brand, he doesn&#8217;t make a cent more. If a marketing company interacts with 10 customers on twitter, they stick in in their stats and bill for it! The marketing companies promoting social media are doing it because it&#8217;s billable and seems like an obvious good idea, but that doesn&#8217;t mean that they have a clue how to measure the impact. So some rock star or basketball icon just tweeted his love of your candy bars&#8230;? What does that mean for sales?</p>
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